Problem 12.10 Easy Free

Rolling Until the Sum Is Not Seven

A player rolls two fair dice repeatedly, stopping the first time the sum is not 77, and is paid an amount equal to that final sum. What is the fair price of this game, i.e. the expected payout?

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Key idea. The final roll has the law of a single roll conditioned on the sum not being 77, and that law is still symmetric about 77.

Let S1,S2,…S_1,S_2,\dots be the i.i.d. sums of successive rolls. Write p=P(Si=7)=636=16p=\mathbb{P}(S_i=7)=\frac{6}{36}=\frac16, and let NN be the index of the first roll whose sum is not 77.

For k≠7k\neq 7, split on the value of NN:

P(SN=k)=∑n≥1P(S1=⋯=Sn−1=7, Sn=k)=∑n≥1p n−1 P(S1=k)=P(S1=k)1−p.\mathbb{P}(S_N=k)=\sum_{n\ge1}\mathbb{P}(S_1=\dots=S_{n-1}=7,\ S_n=k)=\sum_{n\ge1}p^{\,n-1}\,\mathbb{P}(S_1=k)=\frac{\mathbb{P}(S_1=k)}{1-p}.

This equals P(S1=k∣S1≠7)\mathbb{P}(S_1=k\mid S_1\neq 7). So the payout SNS_N has the law of one sum conditioned on not being 77.

Next use symmetry. Replacing each die face dd by 7−d7-d shows that S1S_1 and 14−S114-S_1 have the same distribution. The event {S1≠7}\{S_1\neq 7\} is unchanged by this replacement. Hence

E[S1∣S1≠7]=E[14−S1∣S1≠7]=14−E[S1∣S1≠7],\mathbb{E}[S_1\mid S_1\neq7]=\mathbb{E}[14-S_1\mid S_1\neq7]=14-\mathbb{E}[S_1\mid S_1\neq7],

which gives E[S1∣S1≠7]=7\mathbb{E}[S_1\mid S_1\neq 7]=7. Therefore

E[SN]=7\boxed{\mathbb{E}[S_N]=7}

Alternative. The law of total expectation gives the same result without using symmetry:

7=E[S1]=p⋅7+(1−p) E[S1∣S1≠7].7=\mathbb{E}[S_1]=p\cdot 7+(1-p)\,\mathbb{E}[S_1\mid S_1\neq7].

Rearranging gives E[S1∣S1≠7]=7−7p1−p=7\mathbb{E}[S_1\mid S_1\neq 7]=\frac{7-7p}{1-p}=7. More generally, discarding the outcome equal to the mean never changes the conditional mean.